This is continuation of discussion between me and Dirk. I have got email
from
Dirk last night and after
reading it I realize that Dirk has rather different aproach to photography
than I do. I try to explain to myself and to Dirk how do I see things. I
would like to thanks Dirk for agreeing to publish our discussions. I hope
that it can be useful to more people than only me.
richo: I like the film, I like it all, just have one problem
that I am
not able to develop films the same day I shoot. If I can solve
that I have no need to switch to digital now.
dirk: I would be interested in your reasoning behind this. Why do
you
need to see results immediately? To improve your work? Why do you
think it may be better at the next attempt? Wasn't the first
attempt more objective and neutral in approach? How many times do
you need to retry to know you have the best result.
dirk: I am just skeptical about this need. Winogrand put away his
exposed films for years until developing and evaluating them to
get emotional distance between the act of taking the photograph
and looking at the resulting photograph. One of the reasons for
this is that the subject and the picture of it are two different
things. But we connect them in our minds because the photo is
considered a representation of what was in front of the lens,
which is not entirely true. The photo is just that, a photo.
richo: I left your whole comment as I think it is very important.
As I
understood you right you are expecting me to take street kind of
photo. But I do not want to do that anymore.
richo: What I like is to stage a scene which I think express what I
have
in mind, what I do feel. Stage with objects and people in certain
space, room,... When working like this I would like to see if
what I have got in camera is what I had in mind. I have usually
very precise image in my mind. And I try to create it in front of
camera.
richo: So far I was doing it only with post processing of my
images. It
was like sculptor. I have got raw, direct image from
negative (like stone you buy) and than I was working on it and
while I was working it drives me direction which I feel fits the
image and fits partially what I like to say by the image.
richo: As examples you can see this
image captured
in full sunny day and made to what it is or
this one, which was image one would
just never use as it was very boring as direct scan.
richo: But now, and it is for longer time actually, I like to use
a
space and people and direct them, stage them to create image. I
am full of what I like to say and I have no time (getting old) to
just walk around and wait until I see it in real life (may never
happen).
richo: I guess I am repeating myself, but I like that you
understand
what I mean. When I create something (stage scene) and I try to
catch the image which I have on my mind with camera in this
scene, I need feedback to see if it is what I thought it would be
when releasing shutter.
dirk: Lastly, is our objective to become more
result-orientated (see again the Andy Summers quite on my blog)?
Working faster, getting better results in a shorter period of
time? This is a certainly a desirable, but I would say that it is
an objective out of the capitalist world, minimize effort,
maximize output. I would think that such a mode of operation is
not good for the creative process.
richo: This is exactly opposite, at least in my approach. When I
am in a mood and I feel I can create what I feel inside. Than I
just can't stop I need to go on. I love iterative process where I
made few images look on them and than feel if it is it or not. Or
I may get inspired and try different. So for me it is not a
materialistic question to get job done without effort in shortest
possible time. For me it is to find that image I have in mind in
real.
dirk: Thus, returning to the point I made above: you buy into a
while new paradigm, not just the things you like.
richo: You have true in this absolutely. I know that. I will get
rid of chemicals, scanning, development tanks. And I will gain
flash cards, cables. I already have hard disks, backup, software,
DVD/Cd as I have over 20000 images scanned by now for last five
years.
dirk: I don't wants photos being created like an Excel
spreadsheet at work. I want to use my hands, my body and all my
senses when creating them, not just eyes and hands. It is like a
child getting to know the world via Playstation. You use some of
our capabilities, but loose out on some important experiences.
richo: Dirk, I do not agree with this comparison at all! There is
no difference if I catch the light by silver oxide or by CCD
sensor. All sensor and camera processing is not the same as not
all the films and chemicals are not. The creation of image is not
question of tool, it is question of mind and eye.
richo: I am not sure if now is the right time for me to go
digital, but I am very sure it will come. Same way I love digital
printing much much more than traditional wet darkroom and I am
more efficient and far better in it, same way I expect to gain by
moving to digital.
richo: I am only not sure if sensor which my money can buy today
are what I will like. I am not a rich man to just buy and try. I
certainly see people who can do it these days and I see
individual and specific images they creates even using same
tools.